I've read the thread too. The course is fast in certain weather conditions but can be cruel and has very little traffic ( good for safety, bad for fast times..). I did my fastest '25' on my one ride on the A25/11 at Etwall last year despite several attempts to beat it on the R25/3. Also, when I look at my 97 (as of this morning) rides under the hour, I'm comparing them with events I did with toeclips, standard bars and not a skinsuit, aero helmet or tri- bars in sight ! The only positive factor was that I was 30 years younger then...