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Steven

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The lost art of the group ride
« on: December 30, 2015, 07:40:50 AM »
Rhys Lloyd posted this article on Facebook, it's from the USA but the advice is sensible..

http://www.mapmyfitness.com/blog/the-lost-art-of-the-group-ride-4898/

ron b

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2015, 07:47:19 AM »
A "Must Read" for all Oggies and perhaps drivers.

Mark Pope

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2015, 12:39:31 PM »
A really good article which is very pertinent to our club. Sunday Club Runs seem to have changed all over the UK, particularly since the explosion in popularity of cycling over the last few years. The majority of riders are now new to cycling (less than 5 years) and didn't grow up learning the rules, so they don't or won't adhere to them. Additionally, the Club Run is now the proving ground as most people don't bother racing, so bragging rights are collected on Club Runs, which have become more competitive. Strava hasn't helped either, as we are often trying to beat personal bests in mid ride, usually unknown to others in the group, hence splitting the group. As a result of these factors the art of cycling as it was may have disappeared. The Sunday rides are still great fun though and enjoyed by almost everyone (as long as you're not the tail end Charlie).

The question remains 'are we training on Sunday's, or are we out for a social club ride'? It's a question that needs a collective response!

Andy H

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2015, 01:49:19 PM »
In reply to Mark's last point, it was alluded to in Rob Jones' captains message about club runs, which I've chosen not to rewrite as everything he's covered still applies!

The Pacers ride would qualify as sociable training! Except last Sunday when we put the boot into Dave but I'm sure he'll get his revenge.  ;D

I would banish any Amblers, who are training or 'Strava' hunting to the faster group

Teresa

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2015, 04:17:08 PM »
I have produced a "Guide to Club Run Etiquette" for the club.  It is not official as yet, as I think it should be put before the committee first, but if anyone is interested in having a read, I will post on here.

Rob Jones

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2015, 05:22:44 PM »
I miss the relative chaos or if you like relaxed and fun nature of the OVW pacer club runs. The equivelant Ajax club run is a very orderly chain gang. This makes it quite quick in comparison because you do get the most out of everyone. However its impossible to have a chat or mess about and I find it mentally quite tiring. We still seem to annoy motorists as much; that seems more down to the size of the group than how orderly you are riding.

For some Sunday is of course the only ride or only decent ride, so don't take away all the fun. Personally I love it when someone tears up the road for no apparant reason. It can be disruptive though so perhaps the captain is best placed to make the call as to whether it's a good time to have some fun or to leave the loose cannon go and make them look silly! Sounds like the amblers have more to debate than the pacers.

And then of course there are the reliability(un) rides...this is where a lot of new riders get confused by their experienced club leaders forgetting the etiquette they spend all winter preaching.

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2015, 05:44:33 PM »
I think the club runs are pretty decent at the moment, I do prefer riding in a pace line just because it feels like we're riding together with more purpose, it's easier and we're faster on the road. Maybe it will take some Strava trickery where you get KOMs based on groups of riders to sort the situation out! Team KOMs!

Reading the Geraint Thomas book recently reminded me of how some clubs have designated sections on certain routes where people can go all out, often racing between two landmarks or to the coffee shop. When I did a couple of rides with Jif years ago the last 5 miles turned into a bit of a free for all which was quite good fun, maybe that would satisfy the more competitive club run rider?

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2016, 04:54:52 PM »
I don't get out on as many club runs as I'd like to, nor on any Tuesday night chaingangs which I used to love, so my PoV is less important than others'.

It's very rare for me not to enjoy a pacers ride - and on the odd occasions where I don't it is usually down to either poor weather or just me personally having a 'bad day'. The club run serves a dual purpose for me - the social side, and the training benefit. It is the best opportunity for me to see how my fitness levels are in terms of medium to long distance riding, and I know that with a group I'll often push harder than I'm capable of doing on my own (especially on hills). I enjoy the social side too - and I've always found that there are enough lulls in the pace to chat, or there's an opportunity to chat at a coffee stop.

What is more important for me though - training or chatting? Generally the former - I don't race or do TTs any more, but I want to maintain fitness to a level that I feel I could do so if I wanted to. I miss the chaingangs, as they were really high quality hard intense sessions. If the pacers ride was at a slower pace and I was able to chat all the way round, I'd be less motivated to do it. On days where I feel less strong, I go out solo, or I have the option of joining the Amblers - but would do so on an understanding that I was going to ride more slowly, and it's primary purpose would be social. Given that I'd be looking for a chat, it wouldn't be in my interest to force the pace and annoy my would-be pals.

What I enjoy most is being out with riders who are stronger than me, so I have to dig in to stay with the group. My premise is that I may not be able to last the pace, but I will enjoy trying to survive as long as possible.  It's usually obvious to me if the point comes at which I am going to be dropped, and I'll bow out gracefully. Sometimes I then discover that everyone else is feeling the pain, and the group all eases up (which makes me feel better!). I am comfortable with either scenario. I'm always grateful to the stronger riders who are prepared to modify their preferred riding speed in the interests of keeping a group together - there is, of course, a mutual benefit.

As a general rule the riding in the pacers group is smooth and considered, and most people learn quite quickly not to 'surge', but to concentrate on making the pace smooth and consistent. It is done very well on rides where someone takes control of the group - but this usually has to be a strong and experienced rider, who is also experienced in leading a group. In the lest couple of years I've had some really good rides where Uncle Steven, Vincent Thomas and John Edwards assumed this role (all with different styles).

 I also accept that a part of the pacers ride will involve someone going out on a bit of a seemingly random attack - this may be for a Strava target, but more commonly is just having itchy legs, and wanting to test out how well you can ride and recover at VO2 max. As long as this is done safely, and is clearly signalled to the group (usually simply by the speed and suddenness of the attack) I don't mind it - there's no requirement for the group to follow, and there's generally an understanding that everyone feels the need to do this from time to time. Sometimes there is a more gradual upping of the pace from a rider having a strong day, but if this is too much for the group there never seems to much problem in shouting out for the pace to ease.

I like riding paceline best, for the reasons Paul gives. The ideal ride for me is where the first few miles are a warm up, then there is a plan that point A to point B will be ridden in paceline at the fastest pace that still allows the group to stay together, but from point B (usually around 10 miles or so from the end, or coffee stop) the pace will be increased, or attacks may be launched, and if you're dropped, so be it. If there are big climbs on the route, then it's good to agree that the group will split and come together again at the top or bottom. If there's a big climb near the end it might be decide that it's everyone for themselves - but I've found usually after such a climb, the group will want to come back together because everyone is tired and just wants to have a chinwag  ;)

One final thought - I love trying to get DQ'd on the Unreliability rides - these can sometimes be the best rides of the year!

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2016, 05:22:23 PM »
Good points Allan; I would also add that I find the pacers rides much easier to do than the Amblers as the pace is steady and the work shared. I find the Amblers hard because there is no rhythm it is surge slow surge slow sometimes stop ( I can't do stop). The ride quality has definitely got better since more experienced riders like Vince / John have come along.
To make you feel better since you got me to ride with the pacers I always feel as though I am just hanging on ; even more with chain gang ; I always give myself a pat on the back for finishing with the group!
It must be our inner chimps...

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2016, 07:26:33 PM »
Great comments guys. It's good to get some insight to the modern Strava generation and their attitude to club runs.

Whilst my future racing career is now behind me I would like to chime up for the slower, less fit/confident rider who has little time to train mid week and will probably never get to pacer level.

The Ambler's are certainly a mixed lot and Mark must find it a challenge to meet so many varied expectations. I would make a plea however that The Sunday Run should not be a training ride for the Ambler's except that in the 'off' season, that is when there are no races in immediate prospect, the pace should be kept modest (check the abilities of those that turn up on the day) although the distance in early season could be gradually extended.

For those who need pace training miles I suggest they go out for a shorter and harder session on a Saturday so that when Sunday arrives they are ready for the steady.

The steady Sunday ride should always have fun in it. Sprinting for 30 signs, hill tops etc and the last few miles to the cafe or the end should have a ding dong for those who want it. But the objective would be to stay together until the mayhem breaks out at those points and not some random attack just to prove you have good legs on the day.

I cannot agree with the guys who join a Reliability Ride to beat the clock ! Go and play elsewhere guys, if its not your game don't join in to spoil it for others. Try a road race or something that intends to be a speed competition.

Tim the 25 'er

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Re: The lost art of the group ride
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2016, 10:07:55 PM »
Wise words Tim