Thanks for timeing today Steve, alas I did not get to meet you at the cafe. How slow can one climb the Bwlch, Harpo and co passed me over the summit, but I could hear them chattering when when I was racing to the top. Tony and his gang passed me near the turn for Llan g, they passed me again on HY C common followed be Mike and Hannah. Sarah turned for home after Park Slip, I think the initial speed through town and Aber k, was too quick. Perhaps we will have more slower riders for the 100 k event giving more shelter for slow riders.