Just a thought, I was talking to a potential new member at the Café on Friday, She asked what time we leave, I gave her the wrong info, my mistake, but we really have to take riders safety into account, riding in bad light is not highly recommended. I think a consistent start time and the same start time for all groups would be better for the club. Just read Rule 19, so who decided since very early on that the rides start at any given time.